PADA: Some folks were discussing "the poison issue" prior to me getting the tape. However, no one either had the tape, or had made any transcript of it -- if they did. I was given the November 1977 tapes in 1997, and I had them transcribed by a Bengali writer.
But I had no previously made transcript to compare mine to. And then I made my own translation of the tape [on a dual tape machine, using parts of the original with my explanation] at the time, and then I made 100 copies of that tape at a copy shop, and started to distribute my tape around the Los Angeles temple.
And that was the only [original] official launch of the actual tape and transcript. This writer is correct however, some discussions of the poison issue had been going on, mostly in top secret conversations. OK people were terrified to bring it out, including the person who gave me the tapes.
But yeah. There may have been some previous discussions. But I don't see any evidence that the actual tape was being used, or that the people discussing were going public. Ok they weren't.
At the time even most of the ritviks did not want me to release the tape. Krishna Kant, Kamshanta and his IRM folks told me that if I release it "we could lose our buildings in India." And Mukunda UK started writing that I am insane crazy man who need psychological help -- just after I released the tape. Yep, anyone who exposes Mukunda's Judas pals is a crazy man, who knew!
And Mukunda's Judas defending disciples like Mathura Pati also say that we are crazy for exposing their Judas agenda even now, because they wanted to help the Judas / poisoner camp by discrediting our expose of their Judas pals.
Yet, despite all sorts of naysayers, the issue has gone on ahead without them and still is. The GBC folks circulate their hand maidens like Mukunda and Mathura Pati's complaints back to me. See! You are a crazy man! Sorry, this issue is not crazy. Well thousands and thousands of devotees agree with me, law enforcement agrees with me, the FEDS agree with me, the courts agree with me, many media agrees with me. Who agrees with them? But even if no one agrees with me, the issue is -- Srila Prabhupada does complain of poison.
Mayesvara was also saying I am a mad fool barking dog, which is why the GBC spent $100,000,000 fighting lawsuits that I helped. "Your honor my opponent is a crazy person." OK fine, but not admissible as any kind of evidence of anything.
Sorry, name calling is not going to help, this issue is not going away, and Judas and his defenders are looking more and more like the crazy people. Someone just wrote to tell me, since many of these same people also defended the child abuse program, they are not as advanced as the common criminal karmis in prison, who will ALWAYS oppose child predators. But yeah, all these issues are linked, the poison issue, child abuse issue, book changes issues, same party is responsible for all these deviations.
Anyway, another confirmation of the poison issue. And many other interesting points.
ys pd]
Srila Prabhupada Antya-lila, His Last 6 Months Prior to His Departure
NTRODUCTION:
(NEVER BEFORE PUBLISHED MEMORIES BY DISCIPLES AND FOLLOWERS OF SRILA PRABHUPADA)
My desire is to share this work, with this Group of Writers, which is actually a very large book, that I have been writing since 2009, while I lived in the Village of Naggar in the Himalayan Mountains of Himachal-Pradesh, in the Kullu Valley. My desire is to gradually present these memories, starting with a Prologue sample from all the last 6 months, and then specifically presenting in order, those that are 6 months prior, then 5 months prior, and so on, until the Last Month Prior to Srila Prabhupada Disappearance.
The following Introduction, will explain this project, which I can assure you that you will get an insight to Srila Prabhupada and how he associated with his rank-and-file disciples.
In June of 1993, I retired from my work as a Professional Business Computer Systems Consulate; specializing in Hewlett Packard Large Main-frame Computer Systems. I left Los Angeles California in the first week of June 1993,, and in less than 20 hours I arrived in New Delhi India. The last time I had traveled to India was in 1974; that is a very long story which you will have to refer to my Autobiography, which I plan to write, for details. It was so hot when I arrived at the New Delhi Air Port.
I arrived just after mid-night, and I thought that I would make my way to the New Delhi train stations, where I thought I would catch a train to Matura, and then a rickshaw of some kind to Vrindavana.
Before leaving Los Angeles, one young gurukuli devotee told me that I could catch a taxi from New Delhi to Vrindavana for 700 Rupees. I totally forgot this advice, and my mind was operating on the bases of on my last experience of traveling between New Delhi and Vrindavana 20 years prior. I got a taxi, an old Ambassador, from the airport to the train station. The ticket counters were lined up with hundreds, thousands it seemed; of people trying to get tickets for trains. If you do not know, in India, amongst the masses, there is no such thing as any orderly clam straight line in front of a counter.
It is the opposite, which is very difficult to describe, other than to say it was CHAOS. & MAYHEM. It was absolutely madness, if you catch my drift. All signs were in Hindi, everyone spoke Hindi, and I was absolutely, lost and started to get terrified a little.
In India, especially in New Delhi, there are always persons trolling the airport, the train stations, for business, so to speak. The biggest catch for these people is a westerner, or just anyone who is not familiar with navigating this part of India. I noticed this one fella, staring at me. Eventually he came over to me and said,
“Sir my name is Nitu, I speak English, can I maybe help you in some way?”
I replied,
“Oh yes! I need a train ticket to Matura, please help me and I will pay you something”.
Nitu said, “No No Prabhuji, there is no train to Matura until morning time. I have taxi, and I can take you to hotel for you to spend the night because you look tired, and in the morning, I can arrange a taxi to take you to Vrindavana directly”
I responded, “I do not have too much money; I do not know if I can afford all that expense. So, how much will all that cost?”
I responded, “I do not have too much money; I do not know if I can afford all that expense. So, how much will all that cost?”
Nitu said,
“Do not worry about the cost, it will be very cheap, you first rest the knight at my hotel, I have taxi to take us there, and we take care of you, and tomorrow morning we arrange taxi for Vrindavana”.
I was so exhausted, burned out, everything. Forgot the advice of that young devotee about the 700 Rupee taxi from the airport to Vrindavana; I was sweating like a pig, or a ditch digger underneath a blazing sun, with a temperature of 116 Fahrenheit. Talk about experiencing Bhagavad-gita 15.15,
“I am seated in everyone's heart, and from Me come remembrance, knowledge and forgetfulness. …”
So, I submitted to these young man’s intention of helping me get to Vrindavana. I desired a 7-Up soft drink with crushed ice, and I was hoping that following the lead of this young Indian man, would lead me to my desire.
At the hotel, all shops around it, where closed, so in no time I realized that my desire for a cold 7-up was not to be fulfilled by my Supersoul. With somewhat of a struggle; I arrive in Vrindavan, from New Delhi, in the first week of June. The taxi had some serious engine problems, half way, and a 3-hour trip took 7 hours, with the taxi crawling along a about 20 miles per hour. On top of that, I was charged 2,800 rupees for the fare, which at that time was about $100, but it should have cost me $25; however, I did not know that at the time. Talk about getting “fleeced”.
Vrindavana was the same as I remember; DRY and SUPER HOT. Yep! What a coincidence; I arrived in Vrindavan in the same month, in 1974 and 1993.
I will now jump to around early 1994. I do not remember the actual date. Nevertheless, the story on how I came into the possession of a trunk full of typed manuscripts that resulted in this book, is as follows.
I will now jump to around early 1994. I do not remember the actual date. Nevertheless, the story on how I came into the possession of a trunk full of typed manuscripts that resulted in this book, is as follows.
I was by that time, a well-established member of the JIVAS project. Briefly, this project was commissioned by the International BBT; to translate the literatures of the Six Goswami’s of Vrindavan and especially those of Srila Jiva Goswami from Sanskrit into English, and then print these books in the same manner as were the books of Srila Prabhupada. For more information on this terminated project, I refer you to the brochure for this project which you will find at the end of this Introduction.
This project was inspired by Srila Prabhupada himself, and this testimony by Srila Prabhupada is reproduced in this brochure. Moreover, it was understood by the BBT and the GBC that Srila Prabhupada would have transudate the Six Sandarbhas by Srila Jiva Goswami, right after he finished the Srimad Bhagavatam.
Un-fortunately for all of humanity; he only completed up to the 10th Canto. This project was comprised of 5 initial devotees, including myself. It was 1994 and the BBT has given this initial JIVA project team $450,000 USD’s to purchase land, design, and construct a very large building that would house all the devotees that would take part in this project, from translation of the six Goswami’s literatures, to book production, to include artist to paint pictures just like the BBT did for Srila Prabhupada books.
This project was a vision of Srila Prabhupada, and that vision was that he wanted an institute to do this. Moreover, he wanted to call it the Jiva Institute for Vaisnava Studies, thus the acronym JIVAS.
One year had passed, the first volume of Srila Jiva Gosvami ‘s Tattva Sandarbha had been produced and was awaiting the paintings to be completed before the printing would we be done. At that time this small group of 5, were working on the next volume, the Bhagavat-sandarbha. At the land that was purchased, the digging of the basement of the building dad been dug up by hand, the dirt hauled up by donkeys, the concrete basement, and the pillars for the building’s first floor were finished. In late 1996, suddenly the project was terminated.
Moreover, to this date, the translation and production of Srila Jiva Gosvami works, even the Sat-Sandarbha’s have been taken over by Satyanarayana dasa, one of the two leaders of the IIVAS project, forming his own. He has completed the transudations of all the Sandarbhas of Srila Jiva Goswami, and is continuing the transudations of other Gaudiya Vaisnavas literature as outlined din the JIVAS Project brochure. That project, and what happen at this time, is a long and very interesting story with elements of drama, intrigue, espionage, corruption, deceit, and betrayal.
This event and this period were a pivotal point in ISKCON’s history. As I write this Introduction it is November 2021. The details of this history have been forgotten due to it being covered up by the ISKCON GBC and the assistants of many senior Srila Prabhupada disciples. The proceedings of the GBC in concert with the head of the BBTI, at the 1996 Mayapur Festival, was secret, and has been sealed, and it was never published.
Why did these disciples of Srila Prabhupada do this in 1996? I can only resolve in my mind that it is a par-excellent example of “personal ambition”. Therefore, I will certainly provide these details in my Dairy.
In this regard, about a month after the Mayapur festival in the spring of 1996, in Vrindavan, Kurma-rupa Dasa and I approached one of these GBC sannyasis and we were discussing this event looking for answers. At one point in the conversation Kurma-rupa Dasa asked this sannaysi, the following question,
“So! What about the truth?”
He replied, “The truth is not the issue”.
Thus, a clue to this intriguing event, which I concluded that the “issue” was “power”, keeping their reigns on their “Power”, in ISKCON, and the “Truth” was irrelevant. One of the principal members of the JIVAS project was Kundali Dasa. I had a very close relationship with him for the next 7 years. He certainly helped me to understand what I believe to be one of the most important aspects of Srila Prabhupada teachings.
One day when I visited Kundali in his room at the Gurukula Building; he told me about the project he was involved with after the departure of Srila Prabhupada. He told me that Satsvarupa Goswami was going to write a book about Srila Prabhupada’s life in ISKCON; and it would be called “Srila Prabhupada Lilamrta” Apparently the plan was to send several devotees out to all the ISKCON centers, and interview Srila Prabhupada disciples and followers who had close and personal association with Srila Prabhupada.
The purpose was to record on tape, these devotee’s “remembrances” of Srila Prabhupada. What is important, to know, in this regard; is that interviews were being sought from devotees who had direct contact with Srila Prabhupada.
The tapes where then transcribed (typed with a typewriter) on 8 ½ by 10 paper). I believe this transcribing effort was conducted in the 1080;s. Remember, in those days there was no word processors what to speak of personal computers. These typed manuscripts were coded at the top with a two-digit number, that was an account of these remembrance in chronological order.
These two-digit number represented a specific period in time. So, instead of trying to de-code these number of 81, 82, 83, 84, 85 and 86 and determine the dates in time they represent, I decided to just use the sequential number, and roll with that. In this regard the manuscripts in my they do constitute Srila Prabhupada’s disciples and followers’ remembrances during the last 6 months of Srila Prabhupada life, on this planet Earth.
Kundali continued to explain to me that Satsvarupa Goswami wrote the “Lilamrta” without incorporating any of these manuscripts. He continued to explain to me that these manuscripts were then stored in sheet steel filing cabinets in one of the ISKCON temples on the Eastern side of the USA. I do not recall, but it might have been in Philadelphia, does come in to my mind. Kundali dasa was without a doubt the best lecturer, and writer in ISKCON. That ability continued up to sometime before the year 2000 or 2001, when he disappeared, and little is known about his where abouts.
Also, several times, when he gave a class at the Vrindavan Krishna and Balarama Temple, when he finished, all the devotee’s present, spontaneously gave a loud and lasting applauds. This I have never ever witness during all my years as a member of ISKCON, 1972 to 1978 in Loa Angeles, and then from 1993 to 1999 in Vrindavan, after a lecture by any disciple of Srila Prabhupada.
Kundali continued to explain that before he left the USA to move to Vrindavan India; he went to these filing cabinets and made copies of the documents coded with 81 to 86. He said that these documents; he wanted to use in writing a book that he would call “Srila Prabhupada Antya-lila”, the life of Srila Prabhupada in the last 6 months on this Planet Earth. A collection of remembrance by a wide variety of Srila Prabhupada disciples and followers who had personal communication and contact with his Divine Grace.
At that time, we had 386 and 486 PC’s and we were running and early version of MS Windows and MS Word. He asked me if I would kindly help him with this project by transcribing these typed documents on to MS Word documents. I would then give these computer Word files to him and he could then use them in his effort to write the book. This is where the intrigue begins.
Kundali explained that sometime after coping the manuscripts he desired; it just happened that a fire broke out in the small file room; and all these tape transcripts were destroyed. This is a fact that you might just keep in your mind. Hence, these copies which he had in a metal trunk are the only surviving records of that big effort, by many devotes, to record and transcribe the remembrance of Srila Prabhupada by a wide range of disciples.
A question comes to my mind.
How can all the 8 ½ by 10 pieces of paper burn to ashes inside of a sheet steel filing cabinet? How did a fire start in a file cabinet small room? Why was the fire contained only in that small room? The fire certainly could have not started inside any of the filing cabinets. If the fire was contained to the small file cabinet room, how could it be possible for each of the filing cabinets catch fire inside and burn all the documents to ashes? I am familiar with such cabinets, and a fire inside a small room, that was snuffed out before it could spread, would only at worst, singe the documents in the steel sheet file cabinets. I will leave it at that.
The intrigue of the termination of the JIVAS project had a devastating effect on all its members. By that time, I had only transcribed a small amount of these transcripts. By the year 2000 we all went in different directions in our life’s. Why you may ask? Well to make a long story short; we were basically “ostracized out of ISKCON”.
Ostracized --- T o excludes, by general consent, from society, friendship, conversation, privileges, to banish (a person). In ancient Greece) to banish (a citizen) temporarily by vote.
I had only transcribed, to computer files, about one-tenths of the type-writer manuscripts; but I had not yet delivered any of the computer MS Word document files to Kundali. What happened to Kundali is a sad story; which I will not tell due to my respect for him because of all the Krishna conscious knowledge I learned from him. I am forever grateful because he taught me what I came to understand is the most important aspect of Srila Prabhupada teachings. Therefore, I ended up possessing these transcripts which I will use to produce this book myself.
These original documents have been stored for safe keeping; so, speak. In addition, they are proof of the content of this book, and they are stored in a very safe place where they cannot be burned to ashes.
It is sometime in 1994 and I am transcribing these manuscripts. At one point in this process; I came to a terrifying realization after transcribing one devotee’s remembrance. I printed out a copy of this document, and took it first to my godbrother Kurma-rupa Dasa (another member of the JIVAS project). I expressed my conclusion to him and then I said to him,
“Prabhu! Please read this transcription and tell me if you come to the same conclusion, I have just expressed to you?”
He read it in front of me; which took a while for it was 30 pages long. His face stared to a show sign of astonishment, and non-belief. When he finished, he turned his head and looked at me and said in a rather sad and serious voice,
“Yes! I agree with you”.
I did the same with Kundali Dasa and he also said that he came to the same conclusion.
Now I will tell you what that conclusion or realization is:
“Srila Prabhupada was poisoned!”
Please note that, at that time, there had never been any rumor or mention by anyone of such a thing. It was un-imaginable.
I shared this document and my conclusion with several of my close God brothers in Vrindavan. Yep! Somehow or another; I believe, that somehow or another, this was the beginning of the “Poison Rumor”. Vrindavan has the Kartika festival in the Fall; and many thousands of devotees attend. Hence, there is the possibility for rumors to spread to the remainder of the ISKCON world.
Many years later a God brother, forgotten his name, contacted me by e-mail sometime around 2004 or 2005. He claimed the he was investigating this “Poison Theory” and had come to know that I had these copies of the manuscripts that were remembrances of Srila Prabhupada during the last months of his life. He asked me if he could have copies of them. I told him that I would think about it; and would contact him later.
That never happened because I decided straight away not to provide him with these documents because I was going to produce a book of Srila Prabhupada last months on this planet Earth. Moreover, I did not know who this devotee was, never heard of him, and I had a feeling that I could not trust him. I never replied to him, and I never heard from him also.
Now it is November 2021, and I have a good feeling that I will have finished this book by the end of the year. Most of these document’s require transription to Word Document files. It is very laborious to do this by putting the document next to me on my desk and copy it by typing on MS Word.
Lucky for me that all this time has gone by without completing this aspect of the project. I now have the assistance of Bhakta-Abbyy-Fine-Reader, which is a powerfully piece of a software tool. All I must do know is scan these documents in to a scan file format on to my computer, and this software program will produce a MS Word document for me in a matter of a minute or so.
At this time, I hope you enjoy reading this work and I gradually present it, and I will leave it to your own scrutiny, inspection, examination, and analysis. I will surely wonder if you also come to the same conclusion.
Besides this aspect of the book; it is otherwise full of great and wonderful remembrances; that unquestionably come under the category of Srila Prabhupada “NECTAR”. Most of what happened during the last months of Srila Prabhupada life was told or written about by senior ISKCON authorities. Never were we told that these transcripts existed. The questions I ask and needs answers are:
Why did Satsvarupa Goswami not use these transcripts in producing the “Srila Prabhupada Lilamrta”???
Why did Satsvarupa Goswami not use these transcripts in producing the “Srila Prabhupada Lilamrta”???
And even more mysteriously; is it not strange that a small file room, at a ISKCON temple, burn out on the inside; causing only extensive damage to the inside of the steel file cabinets ONLY???
How could a fire, in such a small room, start???
And even more mysteriously; even if there was a fire inside this file room. How could all the contents in “steel sheet” filing cabinet be completely destroyed / consumed into ashes? Would not the filing cabinet give some protection and only leave charred on the edge’s documents???
And how could a small fire that did not spread to the rest of the temple complex just burn inside the small file room, consume everything inside the filing cabinets and then die out and not spread to the remainder of the building???
These events make no sense to me; but the transcripts of these normal, ordinary Srila Prabhupada disciples make a whole lot of sense; and especially the one that led me to my conclusion. So now you can have the opportunity to read or hear for yourself from this wide range of Srila Prabhupada disciples; what they remember about associating with or being around him. With this book, you will get the best, and unsurpassed understanding of Srila Prabhupada’s last months on this planet Earth; and especially the last month which is the most disturbing.
P.S.: “I dedicate this book to all of Srila Prabhupada’s sincere disciples”.
I will present at least one, and sometime more than one memory at a time, that will denote the Code Number if known (some did not have it), and Dates if the documents contained them.
If I am permitted by the facilitators of this Group, I will post them gradually, for I have other work on my plate. Attached Below I have copy of an Original Hand Typed Transcript from a Tape Interview of a Srila Prabhupada Disciple; interviewed by a Srila Prabhupada disciple, and with a Code Number of "86" that means it is a Memory of Srila Prabhupada during his Last Month (Nov 1977), before he Departed.
